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		<title>By: In Case You Haven&#8217;t Noticed That We&#8217;re Regressing Back to 1963&#8230; &#171; Enterprise Strategy Group</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Case You Haven&#8217;t Noticed That We&#8217;re Regressing Back to 1963&#8230; &#171; Enterprise Strategy Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out this post by Steve O&#8217;Donnell talking about the next wave in data center cooling technology &#8211; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: IBM Claims that Water Cooled Servers are the Future of IT at Scale &#171; Enterprise Strategy Group</title>
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		<dc:creator>IBM Claims that Water Cooled Servers are the Future of IT at Scale &#171; Enterprise Strategy Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the entire blog entry here &gt;&gt; All views and opinions expressed in ESG blog posts are intended to be those of the post&#039;s author and do not necessarily reflect the views of Enterprise Strategy Group, Inc., or its clients. ESG bloggers do not and will not engage in any form of paid-for blogging. Click to see our complete Disclosure Policy. For important information about using this content, please review our Terms &amp; Conditions    Tags: cabinet, cooling, data center, feature, heat exchanger, IT Operations, m&amp;e, moves, power, pue, raised floor, refrigeration, temperature [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Latest z11 mainframe will ship with water cooled option &#124; The Hot Aisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latest z11 mainframe will ship with water cooled option &#124; The Hot Aisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: In Case You Haven&#8217;t Noticed That We&#8217;re Regressing Back to 1963&#8230;.. &#124; The Bigger Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Case You Haven&#8217;t Noticed That We&#8217;re Regressing Back to 1963&#8230;.. &#124; The Bigger Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://www.thehotaisle.com/2009/06/03/ibm-claim-that-water-cooled-servers-are-the-future-of-it-at-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-1565</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clustered Systems take an approach of inserting cold plates between 1RU servers and building up the CPU heat-sinks on the motherboards so that the case (which is cooled by the cold plate) removes heat. Similar in concept to the IBM technology that attaches cold plates directly to the CPU core. Cluster Systems also disable the server fans.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clustered Systems take an approach of inserting cold plates between 1RU servers and building up the CPU heat-sinks on the motherboards so that the case (which is cooled by the cold plate) removes heat. Similar in concept to the IBM technology that attaches cold plates directly to the CPU core. Cluster Systems also disable the server fans.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: GrisoLM1</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrisoLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to compare data on fan power vs cooling power.  You can contact me at &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:wally.phelps@degreec.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wally.phelps@degreec.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d like to compare data on fan power vs cooling power.  You can contact me at <a href="mailto:wally.phelps@degreec.com" rel="nofollow">wally.phelps@degreec.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: aelarsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>aelarsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kw/ton for chillers is 6 to 7 times more than fans.&lt;br&gt;if you want to save $ concentrate on reducing tonnage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kw/ton for chillers is 6 to 7 times more than fans.<br />if you want to save $ concentrate on reducing tonnage.</p>
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		<title>By: GrisoLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.thehotaisle.com/2009/06/03/ibm-claim-that-water-cooled-servers-are-the-future-of-it-at-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-1561</link>
		<dc:creator>GrisoLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is clustered systems technology different from spray cool?  i.e. heat removal from the chip itself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fans take an inordinate amount of power, both in the server and cooling units.  If there is a cheap, reliable and redundant way to extract heat right out of the chip, the fans can be eliminated.  So far this has been elusive but at some point rack densities will increase to where it makes financial sense.   It&#039;s anybody&#039;s guess where this point is, possibly the 60-100KW range?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is clustered systems technology different from spray cool?  i.e. heat removal from the chip itself.</p>
<p>Fans take an inordinate amount of power, both in the server and cooling units.  If there is a cheap, reliable and redundant way to extract heat right out of the chip, the fans can be eliminated.  So far this has been elusive but at some point rack densities will increase to where it makes financial sense.   It&#39;s anybody&#39;s guess where this point is, possibly the 60-100KW range?</p>
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		<title>By: aelarsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>aelarsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>visit my blog @ data center journal &quot;green data center cooling&quot;.&lt;br&gt;take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>visit my blog @ data center journal &#8220;green data center cooling&#8221;.<br />take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: 1for2day</title>
		<link>http://www.thehotaisle.com/2009/06/03/ibm-claim-that-water-cooled-servers-are-the-future-of-it-at-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>1for2day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big &quot;fan&quot; of Clustered Systems.  Their solution is a hybrid of the two approaches you mentioned in your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m a big &#8220;fan&#8221; of Clustered Systems.  Their solution is a hybrid of the two approaches you mentioned in your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Rousseu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Rousseu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a company in the bay area that I&#039;m a  big &quot;fan&quot; of - http://www.clusteredsystems.com/
Their solution  is a hybrid of the two approachs mentioned in your article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a company in the bay area that I&#8217;m a  big &#8220;fan&#8221; of &#8211; <a href="http://www.clusteredsystems.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.clusteredsystems.com/</a><br />
Their solution  is a hybrid of the two approachs mentioned in your article.</p>
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		<title>By: thehotaisle</title>
		<link>http://www.thehotaisle.com/2009/06/03/ibm-claim-that-water-cooled-servers-are-the-future-of-it-at-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>thehotaisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sounds interesting - tell us more.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
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<p>Sounds interesting &#8211; tell us more.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: aelarsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>aelarsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the key in cooling is heat removal.regardless of system chosen the return of heat to the cooling cycle increases the delta t across the cooling coil.the higher the delta t the more tonnage required.&lt;br&gt;I have a patent pending system that provides cooling,containment and segregation of heat all with air curtains.the waste heat is dissipated through heat stratification housings before returning to the cooling cycle.this results in a lower delta t and that means less tonnage.&lt;br&gt;cooling is heat removal plain and simple</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the key in cooling is heat removal.regardless of system chosen the return of heat to the cooling cycle increases the delta t across the cooling coil.the higher the delta t the more tonnage required.<br />I have a patent pending system that provides cooling,containment and segregation of heat all with air curtains.the waste heat is dissipated through heat stratification housings before returning to the cooling cycle.this results in a lower delta t and that means less tonnage.<br />cooling is heat removal plain and simple</p>
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		<title>By: crazyjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>crazyjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it so happens that there is a company in Wisconsin that is able to cool a 150Kw load while maintaining a cold isle inlet temp of less than 90 degrees using 65 Degree water and up to 450U of space in less than 64 sq ft. of floor space and 9 foot high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it so happens that there is a company in Wisconsin that is able to cool a 150Kw load while maintaining a cold isle inlet temp of less than 90 degrees using 65 Degree water and up to 450U of space in less than 64 sq ft. of floor space and 9 foot high.</p>
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		<title>By: GrisoLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.thehotaisle.com/2009/06/03/ibm-claim-that-water-cooled-servers-are-the-future-of-it-at-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator>GrisoLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the above is true, liquid cooling can be the most efficient if designed right.  There are several important business issues keeping liquid cooling out of the mainstream, and these won&#039;t go away soon.  For newly designed sites that are planning on 15-30KW racks, liquid is the technology of choice but for most others the following still very much applies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Redundancy is much more problematic and expensive with liquid than air.  An extra CRAC or two in the data center can be used as a backup for a fairly wide expanse of racks.  How do you get cooling redundancy for a 20KW liquid cooled rack?  Not impossible but very expensive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.  Cost of equipment is significantly higher, at least today.  Rather than a Single CRAC servicing 20-30 racks, the liquid solutions are most always one per rack.  Even with densification of the racks, the costs of liquid cooling equipment inside the data center are many times that of air.  The costs outside the data center are nearly equal.  Of course with wider adoption and standardization the costs will come down - but when.  With bleeding edge IT technology changing so fast it&#039;s a brave soul who can bet on a new technology to be around or even supported in 5-10 years, add to this the fact it&#039;s much more expensive and it&#039;s no wonder liquid is not yet mainstream.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3.  How many data centers really have a &quot;SPACE&quot; problem?  With the 6-10KW racks of the typical data center replacing the traditional 1-3KW racks, very few sites run out of space before they are up against serious power and plant cooling constraints.  6-10KW is easily handled with traditional cooling solutions and proper airflow design.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Comments?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wally Phelps&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adaptivcool.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.adaptivcool.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the above is true, liquid cooling can be the most efficient if designed right.  There are several important business issues keeping liquid cooling out of the mainstream, and these won&#39;t go away soon.  For newly designed sites that are planning on 15-30KW racks, liquid is the technology of choice but for most others the following still very much applies.</p>
<p>1.  Redundancy is much more problematic and expensive with liquid than air.  An extra CRAC or two in the data center can be used as a backup for a fairly wide expanse of racks.  How do you get cooling redundancy for a 20KW liquid cooled rack?  Not impossible but very expensive.</p>
<p>2.  Cost of equipment is significantly higher, at least today.  Rather than a Single CRAC servicing 20-30 racks, the liquid solutions are most always one per rack.  Even with densification of the racks, the costs of liquid cooling equipment inside the data center are many times that of air.  The costs outside the data center are nearly equal.  Of course with wider adoption and standardization the costs will come down &#8211; but when.  With bleeding edge IT technology changing so fast it&#39;s a brave soul who can bet on a new technology to be around or even supported in 5-10 years, add to this the fact it&#39;s much more expensive and it&#39;s no wonder liquid is not yet mainstream.</p>
<p>3.  How many data centers really have a &#8220;SPACE&#8221; problem?  With the 6-10KW racks of the typical data center replacing the traditional 1-3KW racks, very few sites run out of space before they are up against serious power and plant cooling constraints.  6-10KW is easily handled with traditional cooling solutions and proper airflow design.</p>
<p>Comments?</p>
<p>Wally Phelps<br /><a href="http://www.adaptivcool.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.adaptivcool.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: thehotaisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>thehotaisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi aelarsen&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;IBM&#039;s cooled back doors are really just a way to add additional CRAC capacity to an existing data center with poor airflow and a need to install high density equipment. You are entirely correct that they are not particularly green or efficient and I commented in the article about the negative impact of delivering cooled exhaust air back to the main room CRAC units. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;IBM&#039;s cold plate technology uses chilled water (sub 20 degrees C) that must be maintained within very tight tolerances to keep the CPU cases cold enough to over-clock. There is a reduction in the energy costs of moving air in this instance as pumping water is much more efficient from a heat load perspective than pumping air.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My comment about being able to use free air cooled water (at up to 50 degrees C) refers to a possible future technology where we are not trying to over-clock the CPUs and are more interested in cooling very high power components efficiently. Tcase for most CPUs is in the range of 60 degrees C so using 50 degree C water would be possible if the thermal impedance between the case and water could be reduced sufficiently. Then we are talking about HUGE energy savings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi aelarsen</p>
<p>IBM&#39;s cooled back doors are really just a way to add additional CRAC capacity to an existing data center with poor airflow and a need to install high density equipment. You are entirely correct that they are not particularly green or efficient and I commented in the article about the negative impact of delivering cooled exhaust air back to the main room CRAC units. </p>
<p>IBM&#39;s cold plate technology uses chilled water (sub 20 degrees C) that must be maintained within very tight tolerances to keep the CPU cases cold enough to over-clock. There is a reduction in the energy costs of moving air in this instance as pumping water is much more efficient from a heat load perspective than pumping air.</p>
<p>My comment about being able to use free air cooled water (at up to 50 degrees C) refers to a possible future technology where we are not trying to over-clock the CPUs and are more interested in cooling very high power components efficiently. Tcase for most CPUs is in the range of 60 degrees C so using 50 degree C water would be possible if the thermal impedance between the case and water could be reduced sufficiently. Then we are talking about HUGE energy savings.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: aelarsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>aelarsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is the temp of the supply chilled water to cool the servers ?&lt;br&gt;if the temp is 55 degrees with water there is no difference with 55 degree air because the server internal fans are a constant cfm for any type of cooling system.&lt;br&gt;all the IBM system is doing is capturing the waste heat,the cooling has already occured so the only thing left to do is remove heat to the exterior.&lt;br&gt;if heat removal is through a refrigerant cooling cycle then there is no reduction in tonnage.&lt;br&gt;reduction of tonnage is the only metric that will be meaningful in a green data center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the temp of the supply chilled water to cool the servers ?<br />if the temp is 55 degrees with water there is no difference with 55 degree air because the server internal fans are a constant cfm for any type of cooling system.<br />all the IBM system is doing is capturing the waste heat,the cooling has already occured so the only thing left to do is remove heat to the exterior.<br />if heat removal is through a refrigerant cooling cycle then there is no reduction in tonnage.<br />reduction of tonnage is the only metric that will be meaningful in a green data center.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Duplessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Duplessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@stephenodonnell RT http://bit.ly/fh3Bb  the future of data center cooling.....H2O!!!!  Crew cuts and hot rods next...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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