Comments on: Why Virtualisation isn’t a universal panacea http://www.thehotaisle.com/2010/03/31/why-virtualisation-isnt-a-universal-panacea/ Fresh Thinking on IT Operations Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JoeBaguley http://www.thehotaisle.com/2010/03/31/why-virtualisation-isnt-a-universal-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-7333 JoeBaguley Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:35:41 +0000 http://www.thehotaisle.com/?p=1954#comment-7333 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Yup >> RT @stevie_chambers RT @jnickotto: There are four key types of applications: Invest, Operate, Contain and Kill: http://bit.ly/a2yFJL</span></span> Yup >> RT @stevie_chambers RT @jnickotto: There are four key types of applications: Invest, Operate, Contain and Kill: http://bit.ly/a2yFJL

]]> By: JoeBaguley http://www.thehotaisle.com/2010/03/31/why-virtualisation-isnt-a-universal-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-7334 JoeBaguley Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:35:24 +0000 http://www.thehotaisle.com/?p=1954#comment-7334 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Yup >> RT stevie_chambers RT @jnickotto: There are four key types of applications: Invest, Operate, Contain and Kill: http://bit.ly/a2yFJL</span></span> Yup >> RT stevie_chambers RT @jnickotto: There are four key types of applications: Invest, Operate, Contain and Kill: http://bit.ly/a2yFJL

]]> By: Steve Chambers http://www.thehotaisle.com/2010/03/31/why-virtualisation-isnt-a-universal-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-7335 Steve Chambers Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:32:45 +0000 http://www.thehotaisle.com/?p=1954#comment-7335 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @jnickotto: There are four key types of applications: Invest, Operate, Contain and Kill: http://bit.ly/a2yFJL</span></span> RT @jnickotto: There are four key types of applications: Invest, Operate, Contain and Kill: http://bit.ly/a2yFJL

]]> By: Andy http://www.thehotaisle.com/2010/03/31/why-virtualisation-isnt-a-universal-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-7329 Andy Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:02:58 +0000 http://www.thehotaisle.com/?p=1954#comment-7329 I think that even the invest applications are going to be delivered as virtual instances eventually - its a question of when. The advantages of portability, maintenance and DR(it really helps with the "kill" apps in the future) means that it becomes a no brainer - it goes beyond the cost arguement I think that even the invest applications are going to be delivered as virtual instances eventually – its a question of when. The advantages of portability, maintenance and DR(it really helps with the “kill” apps in the future) means that it becomes a no brainer – it goes beyond the cost arguement

]]> By: Tim http://www.thehotaisle.com/2010/03/31/why-virtualisation-isnt-a-universal-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-7326 Tim Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:32:43 +0000 http://www.thehotaisle.com/?p=1954#comment-7326 Hi Steve I like the approach, but I've found that due to the fragmentation of larger IT Operate business units into technology towers, it's next to impossible to tie together the technology components in the runtime that go together to support the different application classes. When we last spoke, I thought that the gap was around 10%, but after looking at a few outsourced environments, I've seen much larger gaps of up to 50%. I don't think that it's possible to find and track the gap in sufficient detail to make the savings. This is ironic as the idea behind the tech towers was to get scale economies, but it invariably leads to uncontrolled costs. My initial thought was that there's a need to rebalance the build/run ratio of the IT budget and put the responsibility back into the build part of IT to track the application structures and use Continuous Integration to enable a controlled migration to SaaS (where I can tolerate the interoperability challenges) or IaaS. Of course that's not an instant win, but there's minimal investment and at least it's not a big bang exercise. Tim Hi Steve
I like the approach, but I’ve found that due to the fragmentation of larger IT Operate business units into technology towers, it’s next to impossible to tie together the technology components in the runtime that go together to support the different application classes. When we last spoke, I thought that the gap was around 10%, but after looking at a few outsourced environments, I’ve seen much larger gaps of up to 50%.

I don’t think that it’s possible to find and track the gap in sufficient detail to make the savings. This is ironic as the idea behind the tech towers was to get scale economies, but it invariably leads to uncontrolled costs.

My initial thought was that there’s a need to rebalance the build/run ratio of the IT budget and put the responsibility back into the build part of IT to track the application structures and use Continuous Integration to enable a controlled migration to SaaS (where I can tolerate the interoperability challenges) or IaaS. Of course that’s not an instant win, but there’s minimal investment and at least it’s not a big bang exercise.

Tim

]]> By: Yes Virginia, you can virtualize almost anything with cloud computing. « The Server Room http://www.thehotaisle.com/2010/03/31/why-virtualisation-isnt-a-universal-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-7321 Yes Virginia, you can virtualize almost anything with cloud computing. « The Server Room Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:23:37 +0000 http://www.thehotaisle.com/?p=1954#comment-7321 [...] } This morning I’ve been reading from an article about virtualization not being a universal panacea. I do have to disagree some with Steve though. In this post, I’ll be talking about this from [...] [...] } This morning I’ve been reading from an article about virtualization not being a universal panacea. I do have to disagree some with Steve though. In this post, I’ll be talking about this from [...]

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